Monday, March 2, 2015

Current Legion Lists

Since I'm putting stuff up here again for the club league I thought I'd throw up my Legion lists.
I am currently all in on Vayl1 and I've been finding that she has a strong game against basically anything. Drop her against Cryx, against Khador, Mercs, whatever she can handle a lot of things. The main this she doesn't want to see is a lot of boostable guns. The earthbreaker is an issue but I have found that you can often scare off an earthbreaker player with your other list. I have yet to see an Ossrum player willing to drop that list against Lylyth2.

Vayl, Disciple of Everblight - WB: +6
-    Typhon - PC: 12
-    Scythean - PC: 9
-    Scythean - PC: 9
-    Shredder - PC: 2
-    Seraph - PC: 8
-    Naga Nightlurker - PC: 5
The Forsaken - PC: 2
The Forsaken - PC: 2
Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1
Strider Blightblades - Leader & 5 Grunts: 6

I love this list. It's tuned to kill everything within 9" of Vayl. The Blight blades are in my opinion a fantastic addition to the list. The Def 15 and stealth is such a huge deal and their ability to pick up important models your opponent thinks are safe is fantastic. I have been getting good use out of these even against better players mainly because you can't really afford to bunch up your army against Vayl.

Lylyth, Shadow of Everblight - WB: +5
-    Succubus
-    Ravagore - PC: 10
-    Ravagore - PC: 10
-    Zuriel - PC: 10
-    Naga Nightlurker - PC: 5
-    Shredder - PC: 2
Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1
Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1
Totem Hunter - PC: 3
Blighted Ogrun Warspears - Leader & 4 Grunts: 8
-    Warspear Chieftan - PC: 2
Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew - Leader & 1 Grunt: 1

This is a new thing I am trying out. I had been playing a list very similar to this but with the warspears out and striders in about 2 years ago (Zuriel was a third Ravagore). When I decided to cracking Lylyth2 out again I had a quick chat to Ben Leeper at CANCON and he said to try warspears. So far they have been pretty good. The aim problem I have is that I have become a Vayl1 player with an off list so this list isn't getting the work out it should have which I really need to do if I want to fine tune it for me. I've already had two significant feat failures and the fact is that Lylyth2 is still a caster who struggles if her feat does not go well.

Lylyth, Herald of Everblight (*6pts)
* Naga Nightlurker (5pts)
* Shredder (2pts)
* Seraph (8pts)
* Typhon (12pts)
Blighted Nyss Hex Hunters (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts) 
* Bayal, Hound of Everblight (3pts)
Strider Blightblades (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts)
Spawning Vessel (Leader and 5 Grunts) (3pts)
Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew (Leader and 1 Grunt) (1pts)
Blighted Nyss Shepherd (1pts)
Incubus (5pts)
The Forsaken (2pts)

Specialists
* Scythean (9pts)
* Scythean (9pts)
The Forsaken (2pts)

I always liked Lylyth1 and with ADR becoming a thing I have been mucking around with her trying to find a list I like. I think this is it. You need to be able to keep Lylyth alive which is harder than it looks but her feat turns are incredibly brutal. The specialists are transformative, I can bring in one Scythean or double, the Hex hunters + Thrullg making a great one Scythean sub or Thrullg + blight blades or go for the double swap and take out the infantry to throw in a beast brick. The Naga can also go with a bit of infantry. I really like it I just need to make a Thagrosh1 list that I like to pair it with which is harder said than done. The latest change I am comptemplating is Bayal out for a thrullg. It makes Lylyth my drop against body and soul but I am fine with that. This list is amazing, Lylyth1 is a blast to play and ADR does so much for her.

Thagrosh, Prophet of Everblight (*5pts)
* Naga Nightlurker (5pts)
* Shredder (2pts)
* Carnivean (11pts)
* Scythean (9pts)
* Scythean (9pts)
Sacral Vault (9pts)
Sacral Vault (9pts)
Blighted Nyss Shepherd (1pts)

Specialists
Blighted Ogrun Warspears (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
* Warspear Chieftan (2pts)
Blighted Nyss Shepherd (1pts)
Strider Deathstalker (2pts)
Strider Deathstalker (2pts)
Forsaken (2pts)
Thrullg (3pts)

I fucking hate this list. I can make decent 50 point lists for Thagrosh1 but they have glaring weaknesses. I don't want to play against a lot of RFP, multi wound, Haley2, Body & Soul... Whatever. You'd think that you could use ADR to fix the weaknesses but you just can't. I want a Naga I want a Thrullg, I want to be able to go beast heavy to be able to power my way through Haley2, I want to be able to sub out the carnivean for infantry. I feel like I've tried to make a list to handle everything and I've ended up with a list that is shit against everything. Expect this list to change. 

Thagrosh, the Messiah - WB: +3
-    Raek - PC: 4
-    Raek - PC: 4
-    Scythean - PC: 9
-    Scythean - PC: 9
-    Scythean - PC: 9
-    Shredder - PC: 2

The Forsaken - PC: 2
The Forsaken - PC: 2

Blighted Nyss Legionnaires - Leader & 9 Grunts: 6
-    Captain Farilor & Standard - Farilor & Standard 3
Spawning Vessel - Vessel & 6 Grunts: 3

Manifest destiny is amazing on Scytheans. The basics of the list are that I put the legionnaires in front of the beasts with Dragons Blood and minifeat to give me board position then the beasts go in and kill everything, I use the feat to pull back and generally jam a raek or two into anything important (with tenacity). I'm enjoying it. It might need a Seraph but I am very hesitant to make that change because without Incite or Parasite and Lylyth's feat the Seraph really struggles to do stuff. 

Anyway that's what I am currently playing. There is a strong temptation to go back to Vayl2 as a pair for Vayl1 but I don't feel like she is particularly strong in the current meta and I don't have the confidence I used to have in her.

Some lists I intend to try out:

Kallus, Wrath of Everblight (*5pts)
* Ravagore (10pts)* Ravagore (10pts)Blighted Ogrun Warmongers (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)Blighted Ogrun Warspears (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)* Warspear Chieftan (2pts)Blighted Ogrun Warspears (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)* Warspear Chieftan (2pts)Spawning Vessel (Leader and 5 Grunts) (3pts)Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew (Leader and 1 Grunt) (1pts)Blighted Nyss Shepherd (1pts)Succubus (2pts)

Last time I tried playing Kallus seriously the warspear UA did not exist. Also Farilor did not exist I feel like the warspears being bigger threats might actually let the warmongers get some work done. That said there is a good chance that the unit becomes Farilor and Legionnaires. I do want to at least try the Warmongers again though. 

Absylona 2
 - Succubus
 - Carnivean
 - Ravagore x 2
 - Zuriel
 - Shredder x 2
Forsaken
Shepherd x 2

Deathstalker x 2

Another list that I hate. Here is the problem - so much of the list is predicated on Abby getting to charge and kill something and when your opponent just leaves their infantry 13" away from her the list is garbage. I really hate the Seraph when casters do nothing for it. It's amazing with Lylyth1 and Vayl1 but put it in this list and it's going to what - charge and be garbage pow? Put out some rat 5 pow 12s? I may give this list some more game time, I did win the one game I played with it but that's because my opponent failed to kill Zuriel and it turns out when Zuriel is SPD 8, has reach, is MAT 9 and POW 18 he will kill casters.

Rhyas, Sigil of Everblight (*6pts)
* Raek (4pts)
* Shredder (2pts)
* Typhon (12pts)
Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Blighted Nyss Swordsmen Abbot & Champion (0pts)
Blighted Ogrun Warmongers (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
Blighted Ogrun Warspears (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
* Warspear Chieftan (2pts)
Blighted Ogrun Warspears (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
* Warspear Chieftan (2pts)
Succubus (2pts)

This one is tier 4 - you get free upkeeps (don't really care), free Swordsmen UA, stealth turn 1 (semi relevant because of the next one) advance deploy Ogrun.

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